Google’s presence in China has been controversial since it agreed to cooperate with the Chinese government in its Internet censorship. This week’s article looks at how things have changed and what Google is considering. Go to the link below and read the article. Write a reflective comment that shows you have read the article, expresses your views, and addresses my questions.
Was Google’s initial arrangement with the Chinese government appropriate? If you were negotiating with the Chinese government to have Google available in China, what conditions would you accept and what conditions would you refuse? Who do you think was responsible for hacking Google’s computers and why would they make such an attack? Was Google’s response to the attacks the best choice for that situation? What would you have done? Respond to the following quote: “It’s not Google that’s withdrawing from China, it’s China that’s withdrawing from the world.”
21 comments:
Google’s initial arrangement with the Chinese government was not appropriate because it is not fair to put restrictions on what people can and cannot see. They have the right to see what they want online, and know exactly what is happening around the world without banning any topics. If I was negotiating with the Chinese government to have Google available in China, I would refuse the fact that China is banning many topics, but I would also co-operate with the Chinese government to find those hackers and accept that it might actually be Google’s fault that it doesn’t have secure e-mails and try to fix this issue. I think the people who were responsible for the hacking Google’s computers were spies for China’s enemy countries. They would make such an attack to find out important information about the Chinese human rights activists. Google’s response to the attack was not the best choice for the situation. I would have remained in China and made some negotiations, and tried to actually solve the problem, and also if I would just obey the government because it isn’t worth the money loss, since it makes more damage for Google than any damage for China. The person who put the message: “It’s not Google that’s withdrawing from China, it’s China that’s withdrawing from the world,” meant that China is the one isolating itself from the rest of the world, and it is not Google’s fault but ultimately China’s, so in summary they support Google’s decision.
-Qussai
I dont think that Googles arrangement towards China was appropriate. By that I mean that how Google could just restrict on search results without even contributing the Chinese government is just inappropriate. I wouldn't know what conditions there would be but i would at least want to have one of the most reliable and sufficient search engine. I would come up with conditions but overall i just want google to be available to China. I wouldn't really know who tried to hack into google, but everyone tries to. Why doesn't google cancel it in the U.S.A, they hack all of the time. Maybe the 'attack' was just a prank or some kind of challenge for them. You know like do the impossible maybe. Googles response was hypocritical, for the reason that one person or a group of people attacked google doesn't mean they have to shut off the whole country. For example the terrorist attack on the U.S doesn't mean that they have to surveille the whole Iraqi country. If I was in googles situation of picking the choices, i would say that it was a pointless and dangerous act, this will not conclude that China will be googleless. The quote was probably from someone who supported google. I mean you should respect that the whole country is not fighting against you but that one is taking the decision of doing so. Just because the president of a country hates another country doesn't mean that the WHOLE country hates that other country. -Jo Stevens
Google is a normal search engine that's supposed to bring up what you search. I think there should be a free search, without restrictions, no matter where you are. So I think that China should just leave it with themselves being crazy about what's going on in the internet but Google should either be usable without any restrictions or Google should not be accesible at all!
In my opinion Google's initial arrangement was very inappropriate because even if the Chinese government would like its nation to be hidden from world news, people should still be free to view whatever they may choose, whether on Google or any other site. If I were negotiating with the Chinese government to have Google available in China I would make it a point that people should be free to view whatever they please, if this negotiation was too difficult to be responded to, I would bring up the point that the Chinese citizens are not only citizens of the Chinese nation, but also of the worldwide population and they have a right to gain knowledge of what is going on in the world around them. I think the Chinese government may have been responsible for the attacks, since the attacks were made on the many Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. Google's response – although not the best – still made a difference, because people were informed of these outrageous acts and warned of them, if I were to have responded to such attacks I would have created a firewall on all Gmail accounts and addressed the Chinese government of the matter. In response to the quote, I think in a way this quote is extremely spot on towards the situation in China, the fact that they had restricted sites further proves the Chinese withdrawal from the world, rather than Google's withdrawal from China. The Chinese nation should become more aware of the world around them. -Leen
I think Google's initial arrangement with the Chinese government was not appropriate. They should have negotiated the problem with each other to find a resolution. The Chinese government may not want people to view certain things on the internet and it is the government's choice therefore Google, inside the borders of China, should respect their ways and beliefs. If I were to negotiate with the Chinese government, I would bring up the topic of freedom for the citizens to see what they choose to see. It isn’t right to hide things from their citizens. If China does oppose to this idea than I agree 100% with them and to their decision of censoring their internet. It is their country and if you do not like what they choose and do then find a way to adjust to their ways or leave. I do believe that the hackers were from the Chinese government and I disagree with this particular act. Both Google and the government should have found a civilized way to approaching the conflicts instead of Google deciding to leave and China hacking the internet. If Google ends up leaving, the BAIDU and other Chinese search engines would improve in the market which implies that China wouldn’t lose anything without Google. As for my response to the quote, I disagree. The quote, I think, is coming from a Google follower. China will have other search engines to educate them about what is happening around the globe. Not everything needs to function around Google.
-Maya
I think Google’s initial arrangement with the Chinese government was not appropriate because people should be allowed to view what they want to see on the internet. If I were negotiating with the Chinese government to have Google available in China, I would accept only if the Chinese government agreed to allow people to view what they wished to. I would refuse any other conditions. I think the Chinese were responsible for hacking Google’s computers. I think they made such an attack because the government of China wanted to control their citizens through the internet. No, I do not think Google’s response to the attack was the best choice for the situation. I would have gotten rid of the hackers, protected the site with a strong firewall, and then I would give them a warning that I will stop operating if they do it again. For the quote, I agree with it because China is withdrawing from the world by restricting sites that can be viewed worldwide.
Google’s initial arrangement with the Chinese government was not appropriate, it was blocking the rights of citizens to have full access to the web. If I was negotiating with the Chinese government to have Google available in China, I would have accepted the conditions of the public not seeing some, highly classified, things, but I would have declined if they said anything else about shielding the public from what was on the Internet. If the Chinese people wanted to access things on the Internet, it should have been their prerogative. I think that the Chinese government attacked Google’s computers to attack the e-mails of the Human Rights activists in China who might have protested against the government. The best choice for that situation was not the choice that Google made. I would have talked to the Chinese government about it, and tried to improve security before leaving China for good. About the quote, I think that this means that China’s prejudice towards the Internet and whatever it may hold is extremely inappropriate. It means that China is becoming more and more detached from the new world with their rights and freedoms.
I am on the fence about weather Google’s initial arrangement with the Chinese government is appropriate because, people should be free to search up what they want to search, but on-the-other-hand there should be limit. What I mean is that, in a way, blocking “bad” topics that can harm people is great, like protecting young adults. If I were negotiating with the Chinese government to have Google available in China the condition that I would accept is the censoring of “forbidden” or “taboo” topics, things that are just generally bad. The condition that I would refuse is censoring all topics because; again people should have freedom to any topics on Google. I believe the people who hacked Google’s computers are people whom what to see China get in trouble, people who just want important information about the Chinese human right activists. I think the Google’s response to the attacks wasn’t the best way to approach this situation. I would have at least tried to negotiate with them. Its China’s government, I think I would just follow it but still try to make negotiations so that both sides are even. Responding to the quote “its not Google that’s withdrawing from China, it’s China that’s withdrawing from the world”, I think I think this person meant that China just wants to isolate its self from the rest of they whole world because of its power, like it is its own world.
Google's initial agreement with China is not appropriate because their must be a right where people who can access the internet search and read upon the subject they wish. The condition I would accept is that the Chinese people have the opportunity to search any subject they want, but I would settle for a little censoring because it would be good for business, dont you think ? .I would think that the hack on Google's computer was that the information that was presented to them was so limited that they had to hack for the right information.Yes, Google reacted the right way towards the attacks , its like a child disobeying the rules , you have to ground them or punish them for what they have done to learn a lesson.I would have done the same exact thing if I was in their position.The quote It’s not Google that’s withdrawing from China, it’s China that’s withdrawing from the world.” is very wise because it's so true in that they are shielding the Chinese population of what is really out there in the world, they are hiding from the truth, which in the end will back fire on them.
- Mayce
No, because everyone in the world is allowed to view whatever they please to search for but there are some bad sites on the internet that people shouldn’t see but them going to those websites are their choice and nobody cant block anything on the internet nobody owns it so why would you block something that you don’t own or control? If I was negotiating with the Chinese government I would bring up that every one is allowed to search anything on the internet as they pleased, and if they disagreed then I would just shut down Google from China for good. I think China was responsible for the attacks on the Google networking site I guess since things were blocked they had to choice to hacking the site to get information or sites they wanted to access. No Google didn’t make the best choice I would mostly just prevent the hackers from doing it again. “It’s not Google that’s withdrawing from China, it’s China that’s withdrawing from the world.” Means that China is like separating its self from the world or like they don’t want to be counted as part of the world but like their own little section and their territory. -Aliyah!
From my point of view I would say yes. A few years ago I’ve read an article about Google shutting down in China; they said that Chinese people would become too smart if Google existed there or something like that. The reason I think that it is appropriate is because it is Google’s choice, I mean Google own their own company and they can do whatever they are pleased with it. Even if Google is shut down there are other search engine such as Bing, Yahoo, and others, so there is no big deal.I don’t care if Google is available in China or not because there are always other search engine they can use, Google is not the only search engine out there that is useful. But if I were to negotiate with the Chinese government, I would try to profit the Chinese people as much as possible; I would only refuse if the terms and conditions seem suspicious or odd.
I think Google is responsible, because Google is a huge company, they have a lot of smart people there (I’ve been to their company before in California). It is unbelievable that a few Chinese people could hack into Google, how could they let those few people hack into their website? It is purely Google’s fault here, because their security level is probably too low. The reason the Chinese hacked into Google website is probably because if they could hack Google then they can hack a bank website.No, I think that was hasty generalization. A few people hacked into Google doesn’t mean that they have to shut down the website in the whole country. That’s like saying that an Ant bit me, now I have to kill all the Ants in my house so they don’t bite me anymore. I would continue Google for a couple for years, and also raise the firewall level or anti-hacking program so it is almost impossible for a human to hack, if it is possible.After reading this quote, it reminds me of this sentence I read in my world history book. In around 1000ce – 1750ce China pretty much had withdrawn from the world. Back then the Chinese people thought that they were the greatest and the European should follow them. Now in modern day China has changed a lot but there still might be some part in China that’s still withdrawn from the world.
Googles initial plan with the Chinese government is not one I approve of. The government itself is putting restrictions on its citizens and on Google. People should have the right to see whatever they want, especially since Google is a search engine. That means whatever someone searches is what the results come up as. If I was negotiating with the government I would make sure that there are no limits on the search engine. I would have complete control over my website facility, and not involve the government. I think that the people hacking the Google accounts may have been trying to get a point across to the government that even though they have no information(because of government restrictions) they can still get that info and hack. Google I think had a fair reaction to the attack's by wanting to pull out of China. I think part of this reason to pull out was because they are fed up from the Chinese governments and the restrictions. In response to this quote “It’s not Google that’s withdrawing from China, it’s China that’s withdrawing from the world.” I believe that by pulling Google out of China they are going to have a set back, China has 1/4 of the worlds population and is the center of the world right now. By pulling out they are distancing themselves from the world.
I think that the initial agreement between Google and the Chinese government was appropriate and definitely acceptable. The conditions that I would accept would be all of them in order to be able to have Google, because it truly is a necessity and its non of their business to deny me of that privilege. I think the Chinese government was the one responsible for the hacking onto the computers because they want to be isolated from the rest of the world, therefore wanting Google out of the picture, and not accessed from their country to stay powerful. Therefore china acted that way and banned basically Google, without letting the public know about it. But if I was in their place, I would just let china have to choice to use Google whenever they want to because its their right to do so. That Is why china is withdrawing from the world in my opinion
Abdo malhas
I think that Google didn’t act in an appropriate way with China. I would accept negotiating with Chinese government if they don’t have to be banning some of Google’s web pages. I wouldn’t refuse any condition that makes the Chinese government delete any search topic in google whatever it was. It may be some hackers who hacked google, or there is some sort of problem in the main google company. Googles response to the attack wasn’t the best choice for that situation. This quote “It’s not Google that’s withdrawing from China, it’s China that’s withdrawing from the world,” meant that it’s not Googles fault. What happened is just an accident, which means that China supported Google’s situation.
Yes, the initial arrangments with China were appropriate because Google didn't know that they would get hacked. I would accept that they would have the priviledge to use Google unless they abuse it. I think the Chinese government was responsible. They would make this attack to find out more about the United States of America. Yes I would have done the same thing. This statement is very strong and true. China is isolating itself form the world.
I think that Google's initial arrangement with the Chinese was inappropriate because it is not fair to control what people can and cannot see or use. They should have the right to use any website they want and find out what is going on in the world without any restriction. If I were negotiating with the Chinese government to have Google available in China I would make it a point that people should be free to view whatever they want, if they didn't accept, I would bring up the point that the Chinese citizens are not only citizens of the Chinese nation, but also of the worldwide population and they have a right to know what is going on around the world. I do believe that the hackers were from the Chinese government and I disagree with this particular act. Both Google and the government should have found a civilized way to approaching the conflicts instead of Google deciding to leave and China hacking the Internet. China won’t really loose anything without Google because the other Chinese search engines. And my response to the quote is that I disagree. China will have other search engines to educate them about what is happening around the world. Not everything needs to revolve around Google.
Freddy
I think that Google’s arrangement with China was not appropriate, because if Google wants to be used in China, then that means that they have to follow their laws. China wants to restrict things that can be searched, and as a program inside China, I think Google should respect that. If I were working with Google, I would ask the Chinese government to let the citizens of China to see what they want to search, but if they disagree then I would leave the country without making a big deal out of it. I think that someone who wasn’t happy with the way Google was functioning and wanted them out of the country. I would have talked it over with China and talked the problem out, without making a huge deal about it. The quote means that Google isn’t loosing anything when they leave China, but that China is loosing something when Google leaves.
I think that the original agreement that Google had with China was indeed appropriate but now with the incident of the computers at Google being hacked that may also be jeopardized. Also with the hackers that did this to Google have not been tracked down and thereafter arrested however should that occur I’m certain that Google would be willing to negotiate a fresh contract as to giving the enormous internet user pool of China almost unlimited access to the Google networks. As for the conditions that would be accepted and which would be rejected. The first such condition for acceptance would be that Google would allows its Chinese users use of Google would censored as is the case with all sites in China. A condition however that I would offer the person or person who are negotiating this contract on the behalf of china would be that if we find that a person is using a site that is not allowed then that person be given a choice of two punishments. The first such punishment would be that the offender pays a very small fee for each violation and if the offender can’t afford this fee then it would be paid by a relative or close friend. The second punishment would be that the site that the offender can go on to is decreased slightly. As for a condition a condition that would be negotiate right along side the accepted and reject would be a application prepared by a person or persons to be allowed to go on a certain for reasons mentioned in the application along with the name of the site. As for a condition that would be possibly be rejected this would be the condition of not allowing certain information to be viewed and in this I think that I would be backed by several of my classmates. Google’s response to the attack was many things but I’m absolutely certain that banning Google in the whole of china is just going a bit too far. What I mean is that while the influence of hackers and there art is being spread to more and more people banning a site in an entire country as a result of just one incident is just a little bit extreme to put it nicely.
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